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<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Okay,
still playing about :O)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sorry
about the sig 0 bit - worked that out, bit dumb of me
really!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I was
being a bit thick, and as i just jumped straight to the Scramble example i
missed the whole point of this which is that if i search the machine drivers
section i get the pre-generated script - DOH!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Okay,
so i picked Asteroids, and have played about a bit. Used FIDE to generate the
sigs and put them into the code via the web page, all went well but for a few
errors. Stop me if you don't want the feedback, but i assume it would be helpful
to you :O)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The
generated script had the rom name as the program names for the rom checks.
However the compiler really doesn't like "035145.02" as a program name, and
after trying a few variations i plumped for ROM1 through ROM4 and it was happy,
so perhaps put the rom name in the description box and stick with sequential ROM
names as per the RAMs for the program names?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But
now for something which i assume is just down to me and my
setup!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I get
errors with the following two commands:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>"exercise errors NO" and "POD 6502"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Is
this down to me not having FIDE set up correctly? For instance, do i have to
explicity stipulate where the 6502.9lc file can be found, or is that
automatic?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Last
one, don't know if it was a typo, but using the link you emailed me i got v4.16
(just updated it), not v4.07?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Anyway, i should probably get on with some work now, but thought i'd have
a little play with something interesting for an hour to break the boredom of
programming work :O)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Apologies for boring all those of you not interested in Flukes and
FIDE!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=545223115-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Martin.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-techtoolslist@www.flippers.com
[mailto:owner-techtoolslist@www.flippers.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>James
Bright<BR><B>Sent:</B> 07 October 2003 15:28<BR><B>To:</B>
techtoolslist@www.flippers.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [techtoolslist] Newbie
on Fluke 9010A<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Martin,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for catching those items...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>DPY inconsistency. Yes, a bug. I have been
working in development mode and have not actually taken a script and run it.
Although I have done test compiles. Thank you for catching that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ROM test @ xxxx-yyyy sig 0 is 0 right now because
I haven't loaded the signature data. Last night I was able to run through a
test program that pre-calc'ed the signatures for all of the MAME ROMs that I
have on hand. I will probably have that data available shortly (definitely by
the end of the week), so the pre-generated code will include the actual
signature. I will also provide a facility for users to provide their own ROM
file or files (through a zip file). I will probably also enable a "ROM search"
feature too... just because I now have all that data. That could be considered
"ROMIdent Lite" because it will not work on partial or corrupted
dumps.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think I've ironed out most of the pre-generated
script issues. So if you pick a MAME virtual machine to start will, remove the
"junk" (wrong memory maps), you should be left with a viable ROM/RAM test
script. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is more that I could do with the script
generation, but if you're starting with this as a framework, it's probably
easier to edit it by hand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, I should mention that FIDE is now publicly
available on tech.quarterarcade.com. You don't have to email me for the link
anymore. The latest version is 4.0.7 IIRC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>--James Bright<BR><A
href="http://www.QuarterArcade.com">www.QuarterArcade.com</A><BR>Restored
Arcade Games for your Home<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=martin@guddler.com href="mailto:martin@guddler.com">Martin
White</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=techtoolslist@www.flippers.com
href="mailto:techtoolslist@www.flippers.com">techtoolslist@www.flippers.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [techtoolslist] Newbie on
Fluke 9010A</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi
James,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Just had a spare moment at work and was browsing through the code
generated for the Scramble example...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>One albeit minor error in the ROM test sections, you display "ROM
TEST" in the DPY command, but "RAM TEST" in the aux command. Minor i know as
the command sent to the Fluke is "ROM TEST", but also a minor fix too i
guess so figured i'd mention it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Also, in the command "<FONT color=#000000 size=3><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>ROM test @ 1000-17FF <FONT class=keyword>sig</FONT> 0" are we meant
to fill the 0 in with another value? I've not been using the Fluke in anger
yet, so i'm not sure which value should go in here. Is it the CRC that is
generated for me by FIDE?</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><FONT color=#000000 size=3><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Were there any other specific areas you had in mind when you said
the script probably wouldn't work without
modification?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><FONT color=#000000 size=3><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=067171314-07102003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><FONT color=#000000 size=3><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Martin.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-techtoolslist@www.flippers.com
[mailto:owner-techtoolslist@www.flippers.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>James
Bright<BR><B>Sent:</B> 06 October 2003 03:40<BR><B>To:</B>
techtoolslist@www.flippers.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [techtoolslist]
Newbie on Fluke 9010A<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What you will
probably find is that a lot of the concepts are transferable from game to
game. For example, you’ll always want to test RAM and ROMs as they are the
easiest to test and directly or indirectly cause a lot of faults.
(Indirectly being that the RAM may be good, but a control line selecting
the RAM is not… in which case you can isolate down the general
area.)</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’ve put my
“intro” article on programming here:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://tech.quarterarcade.com/tech/Fluke/9010A/Scripting/IntroToScripts.aspx">http://tech.quarterarcade.com/tech/Fluke/9010A/Scripting/IntroToScripts.aspx</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As well as
adding in program documentation to FIDE. (BTW, I have not posted FIDE on
the site for download. No need to contact me anymore.)</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But you could
start by just using the code generator that I was working on. For example,
you could start with a Scramble script here:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://tech.quarterarcade.com/Tech/CodeGenerator/Default.aspx?g=2470&set=scramble&cpu=133">http://tech.quarterarcade.com/Tech/CodeGenerator/Default.aspx?g=2470&set=scramble&cpu=133</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">(be sure to get
all of that URL). That probably won’t run unmodified, but it would be a
start.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now, what this
does not buy you is specific chip testing like custom chips, 4116 hi/low
nibble isolation, and so forth. But if you are just starting out, you’ll
work up to that with time. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW, I am
considering a code repository for game-specific 9010A if people will
contribute. Worthwhile? Let me know. </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also, what I
found to be a huge resource was the Fluke publications that John has
hosted. I think they’re labeled as “Troubleshooter Guides.” They give very
good techniques for debugging.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good luck
learning it. I found that it took a good month to get real comfortable.
Pick an easy starter board like Scramble as that makes learning easier as
well.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">JB</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon">--James
Bright<BR>www.QuarterArcade.com<BR>Restored Arcade Games for your Home
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
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owner-</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">techtoolslist@www.flippers.com</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>pc2jamma<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:00 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> techtoolslist<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [techtoolslist] Newbie on
Fluke 9010A</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hello Guys !</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I just received my Fluke 9010A and my two Pods
8080 and Z80AA.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I'm also using Fluke IDE Software, thanks to
James, it's a wonderfull Software !</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Does anyone have some 8080 or Z80 sample program
for gamaes such as Scrambler, Space Invaders (Taito and Midway), or some
other game ?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thank you very much, and soon I hope contribute
with this list with some scripts and information about this great tool
!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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