Re: OmniFlop

Look in the root Fluke directory.

/Fluke/Teledisk2.23-1995.zip (filename).

It doesn't work with my XP configuration though (Compaq portable) so may
need to dig up a old DOS machine. It could be that the floppy can't
write the format needed.

John :-#)#

Andre Huijts wrote:
> Is it me, I can't to seem to find the Teledisk files on the FTP ?
>
>
> Op 19 nov. 2012, om 10:58 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
>
>
>> Linux doesn't need to understand the disk, it does it at a raw disk block level. I'm pretty sure it's that I used. I certainly back up my compact flash hard drive in the 9100 that way and I'm pretty sure I created my service disk that way too. I've never used teledisk.
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin.
>>
>>
>> From: John Robertson
>> Sent: ‎19‎ ‎November‎ ‎2012 ‎07‎:‎30
>> To: Technical Tools Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop
>>
>>
>> teeray wrote:
>>
>>> Just boot a live Linux cd and use dd to copy the floppy to a .bin file
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Not so sure that Linux can read the disks - they are formatted for OS9
>> and unless Linux has that code embedded in its floppy driver it really
>> can't handle them.
>>
>> We used a program called Teledisc, back a number of years to copy the
>> floppies to img files for sharing. I've just uploaded the possible last
>> version - 2.23 - versions of Teledisc that I have found to the Flippers
>> FTP site under /Fluke
>>
>> It might work with xp - I'll probably test it tomorrow.
>>
>> John :-#)#
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com>
>>>> Sent: Nov 18, 2012 12:06 PM
>>>> To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist@flippers.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop
>>>>
>>>> No luck with Andre's new images.... both the 6.0 and 6.1 sys1 disk fails
>>>> to boot.
>>>>
>>>> The fluke 9100 does start booting from DR1 bit after maybe two seconds
>>>> you no longer hear the track stepping sounds from the floppy and the
>>>> fluke locks up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2012 3:58 PM, Andre Huijts wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sent the files to Steve, David and John.....who will be first ;);)
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously hope this will solve that (likely) bad V6.1 System disk 2 bad image....
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have any info about differences between V6.0 and V6.1 ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't compare the images as I thought the image files on the PC will probably different between the various tools used to make these images ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would love to write back my images to (new) DD floppies and give them a try. Could I try them on the 9105 ? I ask this because I also have a floppy set of V6.0 that is indicated (handwritten) to be for the 9105....
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, isn't the backup tool on the "Serive disk" ? I have a non official floppy with handwritten Service disk (or something like that) 1.4
>>>>>
>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 12 nov. 2012 om 06:10 heeft John Robertson<jrr@flippers.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Andre,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to send me a copy via email I will test them either Monday or Tuesday...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tired comparing the set you have created with the set of 6.1 discs on TTL FTP under Fluke/9100A/System_DiscsRV6.1 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andre Huijts wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand the 9100 is OS-9 based but OmniFlop already supports three different OS-9 formats. However, it doesn't recognize them as any of these three.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've left behind Windows since 2006 (well my work's laptop is still running it) and moved to iMacs but my old PC still had it installed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still figure it is more likely for someone to still have a working XP setup than a DOS machine, not to mention not being able to transfer stuff to USB devices under DOS (normally).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can always make a multi-boot system, one of them XP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OmniFlop won't run correct under virtual machines though and using USB floppy drives is also a no-no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have now backed up all V6.1 discs two. I have two sets:
>>>>>>> Set 1 has System disks 1,2,3 Programmers Disk and IEEE-4888
>>>>>>> Set 2 has all this except the Programmers disk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only Disk 1 of set 2 gave a read error but worked after a retry, All other floppies read trouble free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The zipped file is only 2,5 MB incl. the V6.0 set so no problem to e-mail it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Op 11 nov. 2012 om 23:29 heeft Martin White<martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IIRC they’re OS/9 floppies - not of Mac OS 9 fame. At the time that I looked before (2008 / 9 maybe?) it was one of the formats that required a purchased license. Obviously that could well have changed by now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried to use Omniflop quite a lot with Acorn BBC / Archimedes disks and I was able to get it to work under XP but I was never able to get the 64bit Windows 7 version to work. I went through a few mails with the developer who didn’t have a 64bit Windows based PC so all he was able to say was “<insert name> has got it working but I’ve got no way to test / debug it” so I never got any further with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was great while it worked but I moved on from Windows XP a long, long time ago now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Andre Huijts
>>>>>>>> Sent: ‎11‎ ‎November‎ ‎2012 ‎21‎:‎49
>>>>>>>> To: Technical Tools Mail List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OmniFlop
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did a test with OmniFlop and it reports that the Fluke floppies have the following format:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 80/2/18/512
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My guess is
>>>>>>>> 80 tracks
>>>>>>>> 2 sides
>>>>>>>> 18 sectors per track
>>>>>>>> 512 bytes per sector
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did notice the floppy format was mentioned somewhere in the Fluke docs but I forgot in which....will try to find it but if anyone else already knows......please confirm this is correct or not...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Op 11 nov. 2012 om 22:35 heeft Andre Huijts<a.huijts@upcmail.nl> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I found this very promising looking program to back up the Fluke 9100 floppies:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.shlock.co.uk/Utils/OmniFlop/OmniFlop.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like it because it runs under Windows, yes even W7 and it supports a load of formats, amongst them OS-9 formats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a test I am now backing up the V6.0 disks. If anyone is able to recreate these floppies using OmniFlop and try them on a 9100a that would be great,
>>>>>>>>> I didn't have the time yet to hook up a monitor/ TV.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Instead I dug out my PC which hasn't been used since 2005.....which eventually worked after getting some Raid 0 errors and the videocard loosing power because of what looks like a burnt power connector....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, OmniFlop recognizes the Fluke floppies as Gravograph ISIS format, which is a computer controlled engraving machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If anyone has a "spare" system they can try out these floppy images on so that we know if OmniFlop works for us that would be great ! :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
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