Re: Directory success !!! (for HDR that is.)

Pretty sure John is working on that...

Op 15 dec. 2012, om 00:01 heeft David Shoemaker <davids@oz.net> het volgende geschreven:

> Has anyone found two matching disks with different serial numbers? It
> shouldn't be that hard to figure out where on the disk it is stored. Unless
> they used it as a hash key for the entire contents of course :)
>
> David
>
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> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Directory success !!! (for HDR that is.)
>
> No luck, says "Fluke 9100A Service Init Disk. v6.0 This Board Has An Invalid
> Service ID"
>
> :(
>
> BUT, maybe this was used on the 9105 that I sold to Andrew so maybe he can
> have a look and post the serial number of that machine....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Op 14 dec. 2012, om 00:14 heeft John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
>
>> Andre Huijts wrote:
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I found one disk with a hand written label Service disk V6.0
>>>
>>> I just made a Samdisk image of it and attached it to this mail not sure
> if that works or not....I also don't know if it's serialized or not ....
>>> At least you will have 3 disks/images to look at.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Being the really patient guy I am I decided to test this disk over
> lunch...I get the same error (disk is serialized). Have you tried this 6.0
> disk in your machine? If it works, what is the serial number of your 9100?
>>
>> Currently converting the floppy image to a TD0 file so I can run Hexedit
> comparison on it. Nuts, I need a DOS computer to do that...my XP machine
> won't recognize C: (FAT64 I guess).
>>
>> John :-#)#
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ---
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 13 dec. 2012, om 21:16 heeft John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> het
> volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>
>>>> David Ryskalczyk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There's a Teledisk image of a service disk, as well as a bunch of
>>>>> other documentation, over here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.iobium.com/9100a%20tester/
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure whether this one is serialized or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> --David
>>>>>
>>>> That's Martin Reynolds site - another TTL past regular...(are you
>>>> still around Martin?)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.iobium.com/9100a%20tester/9100atester.htm
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that he talks about Service disk 6.0...I will take another
> look at the file Service.TD0 on his site, thanks!
>>>>
>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andre Huijts wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrew....I'm not stupid. I understand what it can do for about
>>>>>>> 90% by now, I've read enough to have a pretty clear picture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, without any programs that actually DO a 100% test it's
>>>>>>> not really worth anything right ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please stop talking down to me Andrew, I'm not a moron.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, Andre, Andrew is just pulling your leg!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 9100 can be a bit of a boat anchor/door stop unless you really
>>>>>> get into it. They are still in wide use industrially as they are
>>>>>> often the only machine keeping production line equipment running
>>>>>> that was designed in the 80s and 90s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the basic tests are superior to the 9010 though as you can
>>>>>> easily store the results and easily make lookup tables for
>>>>>> individual games if you have the programming option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've found the renewed interest in the 9100 (thanks in large part
>>>>>> to Andre) to be refreshing my desire to get this great tool in use
>>>>>> in my shop - for too many years have they been sitting on a shelf
>>>>>> being ignored. I mostly use the 9010 and my collection of pods to
>>>>>> troubleshoot, and while that is fine for me, it would benefit my
>>>>>> staff if I got a 9100 running with the tests built in for are
>>>>>> common game board (Atari, Bally, Williams, etc.) that come through
>>>>>> on a regular basis and while the test fixture gives us a pretty
>>>>>> good idea of the problems, integrating a 9100 could speed up the tests
> significantly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The beauty of the 9100 is the GFI. I see building tests for Capcom
>>>>>> and other orphans of the pinball world where no test fixtures
>>>>>> exist or are more money than one cares to spend when you only see
>>>>>> the game once every few years - however a guided test for the
>>>>>> driver board, shared with this group, could help a number of shops
> deal with these games quickly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Making up a Bed Of Nails test jig that is hooked to the 9100 seems
>>>>>> to be a good project for 2013 and I for one will be exploring this
>>>>>> project in the new year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have to get past Xams first - we are very busy right now!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Still also hoping to find a non-serialized copy of 6.0 Service
>>>>>> (was included in the 40MB SCSI upgrade kit) - or even a copy that
>>>>>> has a different serial number to compare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another project is to check the wiring changes to the motherboards
>>>>>> - I suspect the latest ones (I have a "G" revision) allow you to
>>>>>> use the 1.44 floppies, a number of jumpers around the floppy
> connector...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John :-#)#
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Op 13 dec. 2012, om 17:50 heeft Andrew Welburn
>>>>>>> <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andre..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You havn't read all the manuals, and dont fully grasp what the
>>>>>>>> 9100 can do. Its much, much more than a 9010, its a complete
>>>>>>>> 100% pcb test system, as i've previously described, its not
>>>>>>>> limited to rams and roms. Read up and learn my young jedi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrew Welburn
>>>>>>>> http://www.andys-arcade.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13/12/2012 16:45, Andre Huijts wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny, I was thinking about using Centi as well.....reasons
>>>>>>>>> were because I own one, it's a raster game (seemed simpler than
>>>>>>>>> a vector game to me) and Atari already makes the schematics in
> "functional blocks"......
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Been trying to read in the Applications manual today (during
>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>> breaks....) and I nodded off at least 10 times....apart from
>>>>>>>>> that, it's sure not easy....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However.....correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the majority
>>>>>>>>> of problems can be found using the very "basic" tests (which
>>>>>>>>> are actually pretty thorough) being the address and databusses,
>>>>>>>>> finding bad buffers and doing RAM and ROM checks. As such it's
>>>>>>>>> not much more than a 9010 I guess, which is a bit of a shame of
>>>>>>>>> course, but I don't see anyone investing so many hours to get
>>>>>>>>> programs done for himself or maybe a couple of other guys
> interested.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would be cool to have a program for POKEY (if only to make
>>>>>>>>> it produce some sounds ;) ) f.i., on the other hand, swapping
>>>>>>>>> one takes just seconds and most of the signals of it being
> defective are pretty well known....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone should write a program that scans the schematics of any
>>>>>>>>> PCB and turns it into a TL/1 program ;)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> André
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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