Re: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks

But what is price friendly?

New WG 19" low res monitors sell for about $250. And these are sold in very
high Quantities.

Are you expecting a similar price for a replacement X/Y?

I'm just curious to know what people would be willing to pay for a new X/Y
monitor.

My guess is that anything less than $600 is very unlikely.

$100 - HV (if it can be done, this is cheap)
$150 - CRT (Qyt 1 is $165, hopefully we could get a break)
$100 - YOKE (and this is a *wild* guess with no basis)
$100 - Chassis, electronics, PCB, heatsinks, etc. (cheap)
 $50 - An hours worth of labor to put it all together. (That's cheap!)
$100 - Very minimal profit that perhaps a hobbyist would be happy with.

----
$600
So if you found someone who wants to do this as a labor of love, you might get
X/Y monitors for $600.
For someone who's livelihood is manufacturing, $100 profit, at low quantities
will not make up for the engineering investment.
At the Qty's we're talking about you'd have to expect a $200 ~ $300 dollar
profit, and even then it's a lot of work with little payoff.
Of course qty is everything, if one was selling 100 a month, $100 profit would
be fine for a small company.
And of course if the monitor design has any classic X/Y symptoms of fire, fried
HV sections, etc.  You can just declare bankruptcy and go the way of the Edsel.
I for one would be willing to spend a $600 on a well designed, brand spankin'
new, bullet proof X/Y monitor, but on the last poll:
  http://us.votenow.de/vote.cgi?104625
People were becoming very reluctant at $350.  You can't even get a new med res
raster for that price!
-Zonn
On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:53:38 -0700, John Butler <John.Butler@asu.edu> wrote:
>Ok, I am not the expert but that is OK.  Let me ask this though.  So to get
>a monitor stable we are going to add an LV2000, a new flyback and?????
>Aren't we at the point where the cost of the other hard to find parts are
>going to make this all price unfriendly?  What happened to the replacement
>vector monitor project?  We talked about last year for quite a while and
>suddenly nothing.  I am all for a replacement flyback that is cheaper and
>easy to install/mount, but are we to the point where the person that is
>redesigning the High voltage, just continues through the rest of the
>monitor?  Just a random thought of the day.
>
>J
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Curtis H. Wilbar Jr. [mailto:vector@hawkmountain.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:24 AM
>To: vectorlist@synthcom.com
>Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks
>
>
>
>If something can be created that meets all the criterea everyone has been
>talking about, I'm interested in 2, maybe 3.
>
>-- Curt
>
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>>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:22:13 -0700
>>To: vectorlist@synthcom.com, <vectorlist@synthcom.com>
>>From: John Robertson <pinball@telus.net>
>>Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks
>>Mime-Version: 1.0
>>
>>I was just chatting with my friend, John, who has a shop locally that does 
>>nothing but repair monitors, he believes that he can make a voltage limited
>
>>HV supply that would run on the original DC supply for about $100US in 50 
>>lots....
>>
>>This will not be as pretty a box as the ones that Wintron and others make, 
>>but the price is probably much nicer...the box could thus replace either 
>>the WG HV as used in Tempest, and the HV as used in the Ampliphone. These 
>>would use inexpensive common HV flybacks so repairs should be cheap as
>well...
>>
>>Any interest?
>>
>>John :-#)#
>>
>>At 11:03 PM 13/04/2002 -0500, Jeff Sanders wrote:
>>>OK, here goes,
>>>
>>>There's a local dude down here in Alabama and I believe his name is Andy
>>>Warren.  I haven't chatted with him in a few years, real nice guy, quite
>the
>>>circuit stud.
>>>
>>>His e-mail is andywarren@otelco.net
>>>
>>>He's quite sharp on vector stuff  and a while back he told me a story
>about
>>>how he hacked in a WG x-former into an Ampliphone tube with just a few
>minor
>>>circuit mods.  He made it sound simple but I forget the details.
>>>
>>>If someone wants to e-mail him and pick his brain please see what he has
>to
>>>say on this topic please do so.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Jeff S.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Joe Bachmann" <joe.bachmann@newmail.net>
>>>To: <vectorlist@synthcom.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:10 PM
>>>Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks
>>>
>>>
>>> > What xformer goes into a WG? Where can I get them?
>>> >
>>> > JB
>>> >
>>> > Jeff Sanders wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I know a guy that got a WG transformer to work in an Ampliphone
>(which
>>>I'm
>>> > > sure has been brought up before)
>>> > >
>>> > > Would that be a cheaper alternative?  i.e.  finding a cheap mass
>market
>>> > > X-former that can work with a minor circuit mod?
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From: "Jess Askey" <jess@askey.org>
>>> > > To: <vectorlist@synthcom.com>
>>> > > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 2:17 PM
>>> > > Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks
>>> > >
>>> > > > I can donate my schem of my torn apart Wintron if you like as well.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > John Robertson wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > This is getting ridiculous! $200US for a transformer? I'm going
>to
>>>check
>>> > > > > with a fellow I know that runs a monitor repair business and see
>if
>>>he
>>> > > has
>>> > > > > any suggestions for a replacement flyback that could be used to
>>>replace
>>> > > the
>>> > > > > Wintron. I'm thinking of a Xformer from a medium or hi-res 19"
>>>monitor
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > wire it up to replace the Wintron. Much like my Raster-Hack, I
>think
>>> > > this
>>> > > > > might be far more cost effective. Someone could make an adapter
>PCB
>>>and
>>> > > it
>>> > > > > could almost then just plug in...
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > John :-#)#
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > At 03:14 PM 11/04/2002 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote:
>>> > > > > >Well, if they are so confident maybe they'd like to extend that
>>> > > warranty
>>> > > > > >of theirs from 1 year (or whatever it is) to 5 or 10 years?  If
>>>they
>>> > > put
>>> > > > > >that kind of warranty on it I'd be happier about using one.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > >Kurt
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Hi,
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Well guys I just called them and spoke with the lady in
>charge.
>>>She
>>> > > > > > was very
>>> > > > > > > friendly and I tried every angle I could to get the price
>down
>>>as
>>> > > low as
>>> > > > > > > possible.  She claims they sell 100's a year at their posted
>>>price
>>> > > (a #
>>> > > > > > I dont
>>> > > > > > > belive at all), but that is what she said.  The best she
>could
>>>do on
>>> > > 50
>>> > > > > > was $180
>>> > > > > > > each which is a joke price break wise, I was looking for $150
>or
>>> > > > > > less.  I tried
>>> > > > > > > and tried, but they just want cut the price down.  If someone
>>>else
>>> > > > > > thinks they
>>> > > > > > > can have better luck than I talking to the lady,  I say go
>for
>>>it
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > > let us know
>>> > > > > > > how it goes.  This was a big let down, in fact since they
>were
>>>so
>>> > > > > > greedy (50 x
>>> > > > > > > 150 being $7500 worth of business for them) that I dont think
>I
>>>will
>>> > > > > > ever buy one
>>> > > > > > > in the future from them.  The lady said that they were super
>>>stout
>>> > > and
>>> > > > > > they did
>>> > > > > > > not break.....one of the reasons for no price break.  It
>looks
>>>like
>>> > > > > > someone calle
>>> > > > > > > them up and buttered their own muffin......to the person I
>>> > > say....."you
>>> > > > > > damn
>>> > > > > > > fool."
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > Later,
>>> > > > > > > Mark Capps
>>> > > > >
>>> > >
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