Re: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks

Please note that the price of $100US is my estimated COST on these, I can't
possibly continue that price. This is a one-time offer to the Vector list
folks, no more than 50 will be sold at this price then I need to make about
$150US to actually cover the development and production of further units
and make enough profit to continue to survive

It is possible that they will only be provided as a kit (probably a bit
cheaper then?) as there are a number of regulations that might kick in if
these are sold as complete assemblies. We also don't know if there is any
duty to ship these to the US... I'm taking a bit of a risk here hoping to
designing a cure for a lot of our problems....

I really can't afford this non-profit for long, business is not that great
right now...

John :-#)#

At 11:33 AM 17/04/2002 -0700, Zonn wrote:
>But what is price friendly?
>
>New WG 19" low res monitors sell for about $250. And these are sold in very
>high Quantities.
>
>Are you expecting a similar price for a replacement X/Y?
>
>I'm just curious to know what people would be willing to pay for a new X/Y
>monitor.
>
>My guess is that anything less than $600 is very unlikely.
>
>$100 - HV (if it can be done, this is cheap)
>$150 - CRT (Qyt 1 is $165, hopefully we could get a break)
>$100 - YOKE (and this is a *wild* guess with no basis)
>$100 - Chassis, electronics, PCB, heatsinks, etc. (cheap)
> $50 - An hours worth of labor to put it all together. (That's cheap!)
>$100 - Very minimal profit that perhaps a hobbyist would be happy with.
>----
>$600
>
>
>So if you found someone who wants to do this as a labor of love, you might get
>X/Y monitors for $600.
>
>For someone who's livelihood is manufacturing, $100 profit, at low quantities
>will not make up for the engineering investment.
>
>At the Qty's we're talking about you'd have to expect a $200 ~ $300 dollar
>profit, and even then it's a lot of work with little payoff.
>
>Of course qty is everything, if one was selling 100 a month, $100 profit would
>be fine for a small company.
>
>And of course if the monitor design has any classic X/Y symptoms of fire,
>fried
>HV sections, etc. You can just declare bankruptcy and go the way of the
>Edsel.
>
>I for one would be willing to spend a $600 on a well designed, brand spankin'
>new, bullet proof X/Y monitor, but on the last poll:
>
> http://us.votenow.de/vote.cgi?104625
>
>People were becoming very reluctant at $350. You can't even get a new med res
>raster for that price!
>
>-Zonn
>
>
>
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:53:38 -0700, John Butler <John.Butler@asu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Ok, I am not the expert but that is OK. Let me ask this though. So to get
> >a monitor stable we are going to add an LV2000, a new flyback and?????
> >Aren't we at the point where the cost of the other hard to find parts are
> >going to make this all price unfriendly? What happened to the replacement
> >vector monitor project? We talked about last year for quite a while and
> >suddenly nothing. I am all for a replacement flyback that is cheaper and
> >easy to install/mount, but are we to the point where the person that is
> >redesigning the High voltage, just continues through the rest of the
> >monitor? Just a random thought of the day.
> >
> >J
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Curtis H. Wilbar Jr. [mailto:vector@hawkmountain.net]
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 8:24 AM
> >To: vectorlist@synthcom.com
> >Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks
> >
> >
> >
> >If something can be created that meets all the criterea everyone has been
> >talking about, I'm interested in 2, maybe 3.
> >
> >-- Curt
> >
> >>X-Sender: a1a96636@mail.telus.net
> >>Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:22:13 -0700
> >>To: vectorlist@synthcom.com, <vectorlist@synthcom.com>
> >>From: John Robertson <pinball@telus.net>
> >>Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks
> >>Mime-Version: 1.0
> >>
> >>I was just chatting with my friend, John, who has a shop locally that does
> >>nothing but repair monitors, he believes that he can make a voltage limited
> >
> >>HV supply that would run on the original DC supply for about $100US in 50
> >>lots....
> >>
> >>This will not be as pretty a box as the ones that Wintron and others make,
> >>but the price is probably much nicer...the box could thus replace either
> >>the WG HV as used in Tempest, and the HV as used in the Ampliphone. These
> >>would use inexpensive common HV flybacks so repairs should be cheap as
> >well...
> >>
> >>Any interest?
> >>
> >>John :-#)#
> >>
> >>At 11:03 PM 13/04/2002 -0500, Jeff Sanders wrote:
> >>>OK, here goes,
> >>>
> >>>There's a local dude down here in Alabama and I believe his name is Andy
> >>>Warren. I haven't chatted with him in a few years, real nice guy, quite
> >the
> >>>circuit stud.
> >>>
> >>>His e-mail is andywarren@otelco.net
> >>>
> >>>He's quite sharp on vector stuff and a while back he told me a story
> >about
> >>>how he hacked in a WG x-former into an Ampliphone tube with just a few
> >minor
> >>>circuit mods. He made it sound simple but I forget the details.
> >>>
> >>>If someone wants to e-mail him and pick his brain please see what he has
> >to
> >>>say on this topic please do so.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>
> >>>Jeff S.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Joe Bachmann" <joe.bachmann@newmail.net>
> >>>To: <vectorlist@synthcom.com>
> >>>Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:10 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > What xformer goes into a WG? Where can I get them?
> >>> >
> >>> > JB
> >>> >
> >>> > Jeff Sanders wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > I know a guy that got a WG transformer to work in an Ampliphone
> >(which
> >>>I'm
> >>> > > sure has been brought up before)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Would that be a cheaper alternative? i.e. finding a cheap mass
> >market
> >>> > > X-former that can work with a minor circuit mod?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >>> > > From: "Jess Askey" <jess@askey.org>
> >>> > > To: <vectorlist@synthcom.com>
> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 2:17 PM
> >>> > > Subject: Re: VECTOR: Re: Bulk buy on Wintron flybacks
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > I can donate my schem of my torn apart Wintron if you like as well.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > John Robertson wrote:
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > This is getting ridiculous! $200US for a transformer? I'm going
> >to
> >>>check
> >>> > > > > with a fellow I know that runs a monitor repair business and see
> >if
> >>>he
> >>> > > has
> >>> > > > > any suggestions for a replacement flyback that could be used to
> >>>replace
> >>> > > the
> >>> > > > > Wintron. I'm thinking of a Xformer from a medium or hi-res 19"
> >>>monitor
> >>> > > and
> >>> > > > > wire it up to replace the Wintron. Much like my Raster-Hack, I
> >think
> >>> > > this
> >>> > > > > might be far more cost effective. Someone could make an adapter
> >PCB
> >>>and
> >>> > > it
> >>> > > > > could almost then just plug in...
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > John :-#)#
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > > At 03:14 PM 11/04/2002 -0600, Kurt Mahan wrote:
> >>> > > > > >Well, if they are so confident maybe they'd like to extend that
> >>> > > warranty
> >>> > > > > >of theirs from 1 year (or whatever it is) to 5 or 10 years? If
> >>>they
> >>> > > put
> >>> > > > > >that kind of warranty on it I'd be happier about using one.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > >Kurt
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > Hi,
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > Well guys I just called them and spoke with the lady in
> >charge.
> >>>She
> >>> > > > > > was very
> >>> > > > > > > friendly and I tried every angle I could to get the price
> >down
> >>>as
> >>> > > low as
> >>> > > > > > > possible. She claims they sell 100's a year at their posted
> >>>price
> >>> > > (a #
> >>> > > > > > I dont
> >>> > > > > > > belive at all), but that is what she said. The best she
> >could
> >>>do on
> >>> > > 50
> >>> > > > > > was $180
> >>> > > > > > > each which is a joke price break wise, I was looking for $150
> >or
> >>> > > > > > less. I tried
> >>> > > > > > > and tried, but they just want cut the price down. If someone
> >>>else
> >>> > > > > > thinks they
> >>> > > > > > > can have better luck than I talking to the lady, I say go
> >for
> >>>it
> >>> > > and
> >>> > > > > > let us know
> >>> > > > > > > how it goes. This was a big let down, in fact since they
> >were
> >>>so
> >>> > > > > > greedy (50 x
> >>> > > > > > > 150 being $7500 worth of business for them) that I dont think
> >I
> >>>will
> >>> > > > > > ever buy one
> >>> > > > > > > in the future from them. The lady said that they were super
> >>>stout
> >>> > > and
> >>> > > > > > they did
> >>> > > > > > > not break.....one of the reasons for no price break. It
> >looks
> >>>like
> >>> > > > > > someone calle
> >>> > > > > > > them up and buttered their own muffin......to the person I
> >>> > > say....."you
> >>> > > > > > damn
> >>> > > > > > > fool."
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > Later,
> >>> > > > > > > Mark Capps
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > >
> >>>
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